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Discussion in 'Super Series (MP4-12C, 650S, 675LT, and 720S)' started by ross, Feb 10, 2018.

  1. ViperTT

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    I’ve owned a 2012 12C for 5 years with zero issues. It’s been rock solid and I drive it hard and often. Bought it from McPhilly and they maintain it.
     
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  2. Gh21631

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    No different than FChat, 90%+ of the users are pretty solid but there are always a few fools trolling around. Lots of information there but limited usage.
     
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  3. Rob Lay

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    we'll be releasing our McLaren community this week. the only one with a factory connection, will have the exact same design as FerrariChat, except with McLaren orange and still same number of limited ads as here.
     
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  4. Gh21631

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    Looking forward just keep the trolls under control.
     
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  5. ross

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    what kind of mileage have you racked up ?
     
  6. ViperTT

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    17,000 miles
     
  7. Dutchman

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    I currently own a California, and I honestly love that car.
    But I have always had an eye on the 12c spider for the looks and the "McLaren technology". Both are beautiful in my opinion.
    Recently I was offered a beautiful low milage (8500 km) example in Vulcano Rosso (or what is it called). But I am a bit scared to take the jump. I hear crazy stories about repair costs (f.i. battery replacement $3500). How would you compare this to Ferrari service costs? And is the warranty comparable with the Ferrari New Power warranty?
     
  8. jakermc

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    One year update on my '13 12C Spider and still in love with the car.

    Maintenance issues have been relatively minor. Water pump failure that is a known issue on car (pump covered under warranty, OOP $1700 for hoses), trunk latch sensor failure (warranty), and an electrical connector failure related to TPMS system (warranty).

    I am actually taking car in for service today as the hose connected to the top of the waste gate blew off and it threw an engine code. However user error contributed to this problem as I let my 21yo nephew drive the car and he jumped off the throttle at full boost and the rapid change of pressure made the hose pop off. I dropped the belly pan myself and was able to reach up and put the hose back on but will bring it to dealer for a little super glue and new clamp (the official factory fix). Would have been $700 but will be covered as a warranty claim as I am on my last day of the initial warranty that came with the car. :)

    I'll have to decide today if I am going to renew the warranty or not and I am thinking I will NOT. Cost is around $4700 - $4900 these days and based on my first year of ownership that exceeds the benefit I got. Now that I have had the car for a year I feel like the known issues have all been addressed, it appears to be relatively easy to work on for many items, and absent a catastrophic failure it think it is a losing proposition. I think I am ready to take that gamble given my experience with the car thus far.

    I've put about 6K miles on the car in year 1, including a 1200 mile road trip from McLaren Newport Beach to MotorSport Ranch in Cresson, TX. Many of those miles came at the expense of the 599 that sits next to it in the garage, as the 12C is every bit as good a GT car as the 599 is.

    Interesting side-bar about the 599 maintenance - the computer only has 10 locations to store maintenance reset dates. Now that my car is 11 years old I ran out of "maintenance coupons" and had to pay $350 for the factory in Italy to reset the maintenance light when I had the oil changed. The local dealer could not do it, actually needed Italy to dial in to perform the task. I guess they never thought people would stop driving their Ferrari before they became 10 years old. :)

    With regards to the doors on the 12C, they do not need to be slammed. Nor do you have to spring for the "soft close" update. A talented technician can adjust the doors so that they close easily without a fuss. Mine was hard to operate when I bought the car but the master tech at McLaren Palm Beach adjusted my doors and now they close like butter without the expensive soft close upgrade.

    It is still true a year later, there is nothing on the road even remotely close to this car's overall level of performance anywhere near this price point.
     
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  9. RonMathMD

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    You can DIY your own service if out of warranty. There are service manuals out there. Very few trannys have been replaced, and usually because of a seal leak. People are looking into aftermarket tranny repairs.

    Warranty is about $4500/yr and covers most of the main stuff... Think of it as an insurance policy.

    Annual service is about $2000/yr... Not cheap, but expected.

    It's an amazing car to drive, and at current prices (about $120k), it can't be topped for the price.

    The stock front bumper wasn't my thing, so I replaced it with an aftermarket one, and I am happier now. I also added a few other mods inc the Hyper800R system by Hypercar Development. Over 850 HP now with water-methanol injection! :)
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  10. Gh21631

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    The 12C still looks current and is all super car.
     
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  11. cuneo

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    Test drove a 2013 458 coupe after owning a 12c coupe for 2.5 years... Sorry 458 owners but it was a snooze fest. Sounded great, great transmission and brakes, but felt slow, heavy, and very flexible compared to 12c, and at 180k-ish was a very hard “no”.

    Have put about 17k miles on the 12c, and the only thing I’ve had to pay for was coolant hose clamp replacement. The extended warranty is very very good.
     
  12. 360trev

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    Well I am a dyed-in-the-wool (dīdˌĭn-þə-wo͝olˈ) obsessive Ferrari owner for the past 15 years now (still on the same car!) and I have absolutely ZERO intention of ever selling my Ferrari and yet I could not stop the urge to look at the McLaren cars in recent years.

    Actually, the 12C I simply didn't get when it first came out, the styling was a little too bland for my taste (except ofcourse those crazy doors!) and I love to use a H-gate shifter... Then a funny thing happened, a friend of mine bought a 12C and I went to visit him on a driving trip a few years back. He brought half the 12c's (over 30+) via the very active UK McLaren owners club to an event. I was highly impressed, far more than I expected to be. What did it for me actually was that he'd bought a hugely expensive factory option on his which was the MSO Carbon Front bumper. It transformed the looks and my god did that car look good with the optional superlite alloys in all black. It was a mega look and I cannot fathom why McLaren didn't use that MSO more aggressive front on ALL 12c's, it just transforms the look.

    Anyway, Fast forward a couple of years later and he subsequently upgraded to the 675LT. Now that's when McLaren just aced it. In my opinion one of the best ever McLaren's produced. It just looks amazing and its a dream car for so many now. I love it styling far more than anything else they have made since including the Senna which i am still not convinced about what its trying to be and to whom.


    What's been putting me off McLaren as a car to own has been largely 3 things.
    1. The models just seem to change way TOO quickly and with too little differentiation. And therefore that rapidly accelerates much lower residuals to the used car market. Why make so many (confusing) models all based around the same tub, engine, gearbox, etc. Not even differentiated into categories like luxury, sports, gt3 style but on price point? Also on this point the fact the dealers actually won't even sell cars like the 12C now, they are 'too old' - for gods sake some used cars have only got 2k miles on them! They actually make you feel bad for even mentioning such an old car, why not look at the 720 instead. Arrrrg. If I go into a dealer to look at a specific car only for them to try to undermine it and then sell the latest car I walk straight out...

    2. The idea that you have to use McLaren to do servicing. Period. I've built up some amazingly strong bonds with specialist independent garages in the Ferrari world and they would love to service McLaren's but are forced out of the market because some crazy stranglehold on the diagnostic tools required for 3rd parties to do it. I don't like main dealers, I never have and I also like to do servicing myself (and its absolutley not just about saving money, I want to understand in depth my cars, it helps me to bond with it and decide when to proactively replace parts before they fail for example). There is very little I don't know about my Ferrari now after all these years but I guess none of that matters to the 1st generation McLaren owners who have all but moved onto the latest and greatest models now, which is absolutely not the same in the used market. I absolutely guarentee if they fixed this element the residuals would be a LOT stronger.

    3. That some of the parts prices are just absolutely insane. Steering racks, etc. They look like they are plucked out of the air at random and even x4 to x10 more costly than Ferrari's. I attribute this point to the fact the McLaren seem to have lost touch a little bit with reality having serviced the McLaren F1 customers for so long who have basically unlimited budgets. In the used market its a very different proposition... I vowed I would never used a main dealer again after my experience with Ferrari and still to this day I haven't yet my car is in great condition. Again some of the more crazy new parts prices really need addressing as they are absolutely not related to manufacturing costs and again this really badly hurts residuals.

    Anyway enough rambling.. After saying all of this I have put my money where my mouth is and bought a 12C.... And yes I am keeping the Ferrari, the 12C is replacing my Bentley.... Collecting the car soon. Never even driven one yet so the drive home will be fun ;)
     
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  13. redcaruser

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    The big differences are not to be found within the different McLaren products, the unique selling proposition has to be seen in comparison to other brands. A McLaren is a McLaren, these cars are all awesome to drive, the differences are ultimately small. In my opinion this is a good thing and also valuable for the brand. So you did everything right. Do not talk in circles for too long, just buy one and enjoy.

    Remember, McLaren first entered the market in 2011, a unique success story. But they are damned to keep attracting attention with new products, they have to revitalize the new customer business much more intensively because their reputation in the market is still relatively low. However, my prognosis; in the long run, I'm sure a McLaren will reach a higher value than a comparable Ferrari or Lamborghini. Too convincing are the used core technologies, too convincing are the superior performance capabilities and the razor-sharp driving experiences.
     
  14. 360trev

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    I struggle to see (much) of a difference between say a 12C and a 650S. Just looks like a mild facelift to me (which it clearly is since most parts can be retrofitted back onto a 12C like some have done). Then they do the same trick again with the 540C vs 570S thing, they look and feel too similar to be almost irrelevant. You then see the evolution of the 12C via the 650S facelift to arrive at the 675LT (which in my opinion was the high point in everything I look for in a sports car for the road) followed by the 720S which in itself is yet another evolution of the 650S, and ofcourse the spiders inbetween and not to forget the hypercar P1, Senna and Longtails (3 released, count 'em! in less than a decade!) ...

    I get evolution yes but all of this has happened since 2011, just in 8 years. That's just a little bit too quick to obsolete a car that may not have turned 2k miles in the hands of a busy person. The model cycle is so desperately fast its hard to keep up. Original buyers of a new 12C find their $300k initial investment is now worth 2/3rd's less (even if they didn't drive it at all, sub 2k miles doesn't even matter). That's a bitter pill and almost forces the 1st gen owners into a sort of Mobile Phone style upgrade or die a pool residuals death philosophy... Factor in all of the insane YT video's showing grossly overpriced maintenance bills and its scaring the hell out of the used car market.

    If McLaren got their used car strategy sorted out (Like stop dealers make people feel bad to consider a 12C, fix the parts / servicing prices for cars >5 years old and allow 3rd party garages to do work on older cars it would greatly greatly help residuals...
     
  15. Ingenere

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    I new we could get Trev to the 'dark side'!

    McLaren is making some very special cars. I love my CS and it is an amazing experience, but my 570 is incredible.
     
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  16. redcaruser

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    See it positively, you buy now a brilliant car for little money, in 15 years, it will be worth a lot more.

    And do not be afraid of maintenance. My McLaren has absolut no problems at all and the maintenance is not more expensive than by other cars. A lot of stupid chatter out there.
     
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  17. SoCal to az

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    The 650 was a refresh of the 12c. That’s where McLaren screwed up as it affected resale values. But beyond that they have been fairly consistent.

    12 to 650 to limited edition 675. All essentially one model.

    You ave 570 to limited edition 600. Same model.

    720 is 650 replacement.

    570 replacement coming soon.

    Each model is in production 4-5 years. It’s not that complicated.
     
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